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S2E04 - Unlocking Nonprofit Resilience: Cybersecurity, Collaboration, and AI Innovations with Glen Benjamin of LAN Infotech

• Visuals by Momo • Season 2 • Episode 4

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Unlock the secrets to making your nonprofit more resilient and future-ready through strategic collaboration and cutting-edge technology! Join us as we sit down with Glen Benjamin from LAN Infotech, who sheds light on the vital role cybersecurity plays in safeguarding nonprofit organizations. Discover why a robust business plan is not just a formality but a necessity for securing grant funding and cyber insurance, and learn how regional mandates, like those in Palm Beach County, are setting the bar for employee cybersecurity training. Glen shares practical resources and offers guidance on how nonprofits can strengthen their cybersecurity frameworks to protect sensitive data.

This episode takes you on an enlightening journey into the power of partnerships between nonprofits and for-profit entities, showcasing how these alliances can drive significant community impact. We explore how innovative AI tools are revolutionizing the grant application process, thanks to a groundbreaking collaboration between Hats AI and LAN Infotech. Hear about a fictitious company led by Chris and Momo that exemplifies how nonprofits can drastically streamline operations and focus on their core missions. As the digital landscape continues to evolve, we stress the importance of nonprofits adapting to emerging technologies and utilizing new funding opportunities to ensure their sustainability and success.

Glen Benjamin
https://www.linkedin.com/in/glenbenjamin/
LAN Infotech
https://laninfotech.com/


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Chris Baker:

Welcome to Visual Eyes, the podcast where collaboration fuels change. I'm your host, chris Baker, and each week we'll explore incredible connections between nonprofits, businesses and the community. This is a space where we highlight inspiring partnerships, uncover strategies for creating meaningful impact and share stories that show how working together can make all the difference. Whether you're a nonprofit leader, a business owner or someone just passionate about building connections, this podcast is for you. So today, really looking at trying to build connections and collaborations between for-profits and nonprofits, nonprofits, non-profits and non-profits Any way we can build a collaboration effort, that's what we're trying to do here on Visual Eyes. So today I have Glen Benjamin from LAN Infotech, who has a wealth of knowledge, especially in the IT realm. So, glen, tell us a little bit about you.

Glen Benjamin:

Thanks for having me.

Chris Baker:

Thank you, Momo, for recording.

Glen Benjamin:

Thank you, momo, for recording. So. Glen Benjamin, atlanta Infotech that's the day job where we are primarily managed service provider, which means we take care of companies, business, information, the infrastructure, we protect it. We look at cybersecurity because, somebody's got to. Not many customers we deal with are really protected. We're also a Microsoft partner, but the reason you have me here today is a big piece of our business which is really growing is in the nonprofit space.

Chris Baker:

Yeah, that's actually how I met you Initially. I was introduced to you through Carol Boston, but then the first thing thing we I met you at like I think in person was a nonprofit fundraiser and Christina DeSilva was there and she had a table, and then I got to actually see your space. Um, so it was a really good introduction. And here we are some three years later for you. Two years, two years, two years, exactly there we are, yeah.

Glen Benjamin:

And because of what's happening in technology in general. This is escalating faster than anybody could have ever imagined.

Chris Baker:

So wait, what is escalating faster than anything?

Glen Benjamin:

Well, it's this famous four-letter word we talk to about.

Chris Baker:

AI. Isn't that two letters? It is.

Glen Benjamin:

But if you don't do it right and you don't have a plan or a process, you could screw this up pretty badly. Don't worry, you're never going to deal with it. And about a month later after I started, when people realized where I landed and they knew what Michael Goldstein, the CEO, had set up, they were asking me questions. I'm like I have no idea what you're talking about.

Glen Benjamin:

And here we are, five plus years later going. I get calls a couple of weeks on what can we do to generate money, sponsorships, how do we get sponsors? And again, this big work called grant funding we'll get into in a little bit.

Chris Baker:

Oh yeah, One of the next pieces that I wanted to cover is some of the collaboration highlights that you actually got to work with. What nonprofits stand out in your mind? That land, infotech, and you personally have worked with. What have you done? You know where are those and how much time are you giving me here? I mean not forever, but give me a good story.

Glen Benjamin:

So the ones that we're collaborating on a regular basis. You mentioned Christina. That was when she was with Hands On South Florida, I think it's the new name right, that's the new name. Yeah, she's now at Flight Center and hi.

Chris Baker:

Christina, if you're watching.

Glen Benjamin:

We do a lot of work with Neighbors for Neighbors, which is Katie Marr. Those are two of many. And then we have affiliations where a, in fact we are an affiliate of Nonprofit. First they're in the Palm Beach area. We do a lot of work there. We've met lots and lots of nonprofits and we are trying to get them to understand one. You got to have a business plan first, so important.

Chris Baker:

Like every business you have to have a business plan, got to have that exit strategy. You need to have all of these things lined up so that it can live on and it can build a legacy, but more importantly, you're not going to get any of the grant funding, you're not going to get cyber insurance.

Glen Benjamin:

You're not going to get a lot of things. And I know we don't have time to talk about everything but you're not going to get those kinds of things unless you have a plan put together.

Chris Baker:

And I know cyber insurance is extremely huge right now and I know that what I've been hearing is now all nonprofits are required to have it, so you have to kind of build out that. Is that correct?

Glen Benjamin:

I'll speak for Palm Beach County. It will eventually permeate Broward Miami-Dade.

Chris Baker:

Martin and all that.

Glen Benjamin:

But Palm Beach County put their foot down earlier, in 2024, even late 23,. That says you're going to have a plan, you're going to train your employees to understand cybersecurity and they need to be tested, and that information needs to go back to Palm Beach.

Chris Baker:

County.

Glen Benjamin:

So we're an affiliate of Nonprofit First. We already have that mechanism in place. If you're not doing it, forget everything else we're talking about. If somebody hacks your data, whether it's your list of donors, your sponsors and such- you could actually be out of business. And if you don't have what I call cyber insurance to help cover or remediate those costs, this conversation I'm having with you is useless because you're not going to be around to do anything about it.

Chris Baker:

That's true. So one of the things we were trying to talk about is collaboration. This is actually a good segment. This is something you actually help train the nonprofits on. Yes, you also help them find the access to get them what they need, to get them the cyber insurance that they need to continue.

Glen Benjamin:

We will get you the right resource. We are not allowed to provide cyber insurance. Right, you need somebody else yeah you have to be a licensed insurance company and because if you don't do what you're told to do and something happens and you have a hack, your cyber insurance just tripled or quadrupled for next year.

Glen Benjamin:

Here we are at the end. We're middle of December as we record this, so in just a few weeks you may have your renewal coming up, and if you didn't do what the professionals told you to do, you're going to have a really bad day.

Chris Baker:

Any cyber attack without any type of insurance. It can wreck a business, a nonprofit, easily, in seconds. So how do you go about training and giving those classes and information to nonprofits Right?

Glen Benjamin:

So we're up at a nonprofit first on a regular basis.

Glen Benjamin:

We also do some work with the Florida Association of Nonprofits. They shortened it I think it's Florida Nonprofits officially and I train Florida nonprofits twice a year. Usually it is February and July, if I remember the dates. They have a whole series and we're at Nonprofits First, probably every other month, and it's starting to queue up even faster because, again, people don't understand this. I don't expect them to understand all the intricacies. This is not speeds and feeds. This is again what is your business prepared for?

Glen Benjamin:

Let's have a plan and I'm going to give you my real title. Most people do not know what I really do. Besides the cyber and other things. I'm a certified business resiliency manager. I've had that title for years, so I'm definitely wired different. And when I talk about resiliency, how do I keep your business running regardless of an incident?

Glen Benjamin:

And I'm not defining it as cyber. I'm not saying COVID, I'm not saying anything specific. But what would you do if something happened? And the questions, and it's a real simple conversation how long could you tolerate being out of business? In other words, your business is shut down An hour, two, three, four. Can you handle that? Yeah, maybe. But if your business was down a day, a week, a month, what would you do to keep it running and survive? We're not going to get into that conversation.

Glen Benjamin:

We can't yeah, but I want people to start thinking about what he's talking about and no, I'm not just talking about hurricane. We've proven, in fact. The day we're recording this, I was swimming across Sunrise Boulevard to get in here. Only one lane of traffic worked, so I ran a little late. But the whole point is what you have in your business plan that has been well thought out, documented, and you've taken it to the next step, which is what we would normally do is you'd have a three ring binder sitting behind your desk. There would also be digital that says if this happens, go here, what's?

Glen Benjamin:

plan B, c and D, your contingency plans laid out in a perfect plan, right and, by the way, that's where some of the cybersecurity plays, because if you don't have that and you don't have a plan and this and that, you're ultimately going to fail. And we don't want that, because we want to keep everybody healthy, happy. We don't want to lose members of our organizations, we don't want you getting shut down because you missed a little part.

Chris Baker:

So what motivates you to help nonprofits? Let's go back to the collaboration part.

Glen Benjamin:

Now that's a great question. Five and a half years ago, when I joined the organization Land, I had no idea what they were talking about. Fair enough, and because I'm really a community advocate, that's the title we publicize right, I'm out there. I work in groups of communities, whether it's chambers. I work with nonprofits. I am on the board of some nonprofits, advisory or direct board so I know what they experienced I had again.

Glen Benjamin:

I'd never done that before, but as I got deeper into the role and, by the way, six months after I started, we had this thing called COVID, so we had nothing else to do other than sit on Zoom calls all bloody day long. There were days I was doing 10 or 15 of them at one time. But I got to connect, meet people. Again, it was virtual T-shirt, shorts, pink bunny slippers different motif than today but to at least understand, because we had nothing else to do. We weren't selling anything. We're trying to connect, keep our brand out there, try to help people.

Glen Benjamin:

And during that process I started to do as nothing I never would have thought in my lifetime that I would do. I started doing these Zooms or it was on Teams or other platforms Remo was one of them. I started to do virtual fundraisers for nonprofits, had no idea what I was doing. The first one I did was, you know, it wasn't great. And then we did one for, actually did a couple for Gilda's Club, okay, right here in Broward, and that's Kim Prytano I'm giving her a shout out.

Glen Benjamin:

We had no idea how to do it. It was March of 2020 when we all went to the shutdown. Her event that she was going to host at Nova Southeast got shut down for a virus we figured was going to last a couple of weeks.

Chris Baker:

It went a little further right, it went a lot further than we actually all anticipated.

Glen Benjamin:

So, yes, I wound up sitting in my house with a bunch of computers and a bunch of volunteers from guilders. We put on her event because it was critical to the community, especially healthcare, because she was giving, as part of the program continuing education, units or credits.

Glen Benjamin:

So if you're a, nurse, a practitioner, a doctor Very important, yeah, and this was the first one I'd ever done and I'm like I have no idea what I'm doing, but I understand the need, because she had hundreds of people that were going to come to. Nova Didn't work out, so we did it virtually. I had a bunch of volunteers from Gilda's Club and did they know what they're doing? No, this was we're flying by the seat of our pants Sure.

Glen Benjamin:

But the issue or why it was important is, hey, these people need the education. She lined up like 12 doctors, a bunch of staff and whatever that we're going to present. I did a bunch of staff and whatever that we're going to present. I did a bunch of training or practice sessions and the doctors or their assistants that did not show up for those sessions. I guarantee you, when we did it, live was not great. That was the first one and we got better and better. I've done some for Urban League of Palm Beach County and we did some of these. I did some for South Florida Institute on Aging.

Glen Benjamin:

They made the most money ever. In fact, when we did the virtual one, they made more money that day than they had the previous four years combined Combined because there was no cost right.

Chris Baker:

You're not running a hotel.

Glen Benjamin:

There's no food and beverage and if you were hungry, leave your bedroom, make a left, go to the kitchen, you go fed yourself. But we figured out real fast, wait a minute, this is productive right, and I know, today, here, whereas we walk into 2025, the issue of working from home, working at an office, that debate will go on forever. It will.

Glen Benjamin:

And yeah, I'm not going to pick sides but I like working at home t-shirts, pink, bunny slippers but then I'm out in the yeah, I'm not going to pick sides, but I like working at home t-shirts, pink, bunny slippers but then I'm out in the community, I'm out at chambers, I'm out of things, and that's the way we do our business. We understand the value of a chamber or an organization.

Chris Baker:

That went a long way, but hopefully that answers your question. Yeah, I think it helped a little bit. So the next question I really wanted to touch base on is what challenges have you encountered working with nonprofits and how have you addressed them?

Glen Benjamin:

lot of people at risk. You've got clients, you've got patients, depending what you are.

Chris Baker:

We have to do this correctly.

Glen Benjamin:

You've really got to have an assessment of what you have and where you're trying to go, which is no different than any other business, startup, for-profit doesn't matter where you're going to go. You can have great passion, you can have a great idea, your value proposition is wonderful, but that doesn't help, right? We have to figure out collectively what you're trying to do and what you're. At the end of the day, you know where is it you want to be and what group of people are you helping. Because we have to make sure that this does not fail, Because if you're going to take people in you know you've got to be able to sustain.

Chris Baker:

Yeah, and I mean we're making a like. Nonprofits are making a huge difference in the community and we want them all to succeed. You know, and this is one of the reasons that we started this podcast is because I want to help them understand different ways that they can collaborate with for profits or for with other nonprofits, so that they have a little bit better structure, they can build further and hopefully leave a legacy that's going to continue beyond them, because if it's just them and they don't have that plan, it'll end with them, and that's kind of the sad truth, right, and I don't want that to happen. I want them to look beyond and I want them to make a bigger impact, and that's the goal. It is the goal.

Glen Benjamin:

To the original question why we do it. We love to help in the community Nonprofits. They're relatively simple. They're typically smaller than the customers we deal with, but they have the same challenges and we just have to. It's an awareness that, no, you should not do that.

Glen Benjamin:

Let's put a plan together and there are plenty of nonprofit consultants listening, hopefully, and there's an opportunity here for you to sit down and determine what the next steps are, and you're not going to solve this in a day. This is a phased approach. You start here and you work your way through that.

Chris Baker:

Right, and that's one of the biggest challenges is we need to help educate them to get them to that next stage, and I think us, as for-profit companies Land Infotech Visuals by Momo we have something that we can teach them and we can help them, and I think that's one of the most important and most impactful ways that we can do as business is to help and help these nonprofits thrive. So what is your future vision or impact that Land Info Tech is going to be giving to the world?

Glen Benjamin:

Wow, that's a really broad question. I'm buying time, so I could answer that.

Glen Benjamin:

Now so again, we're about the community. You know, I don't carry a salesperson's title. I am a community account director, right, and we're trying to help, we're trying to educate. There are so many things that we see that we just can't share. You know, a lot of what we do is through an organization called InfraGard I-N-F-R-A-G-A-R-D. There's no U in there, org or gov I forget which one, probably org where it's the FBI, secret Service, homeland Security. We get information that is really confidential I can't share, right, I can talk in a private setting. But, generally speaking, we can do so much and we see things on the security side you don't want to know about. But in a group setting, where it's private, we can have those kind of conversations where how you protect yourself, protect your organization, protect your family, some of us still work at home when we morphed from the pandemic, those of us who went home and went I'm more productive at home.

Glen Benjamin:

Boss says fine, I know that's another topic. That's a whole episode on its own. But how do you protect family? Because a lot of us work at home on the same cable network as our kids and our family.

Chris Baker:

How do you protect yourself?

Glen Benjamin:

And where I'm going, which is a really difficult conversation. We will not get into it here today, but we've got to start thinking differently because our world has changed. You know, whether you accept that or not, it literally is the parents understanding what your kids are doing for 10 or 18 hours a day just going, or you know, with their thumbs. So we'll stop there. But it's all about how do we impact and protect the community.

Chris Baker:

That's our role. You don't know who's on the other line unless you can see them face to face, you don't know who's on the other line.

Glen Benjamin:

And that's not true either, because you can also and I'll say the word again AI on a Zoom or anything else. You may think that's Chris, but that's really some type of avatar that looks exactly like him. Again that's another episode for a different time, but we're telling people listen to what the experts say.

Chris Baker:

Yeah, we're living in a different age and actually one of the things that we did want to bring you on here is for a special treat for the whole entire audience to learn a little bit about something that I really think that Land Info Tech is going to leave as its legacy in some ways.

Glen Benjamin:

I'm getting verklempt already.

Chris Baker:

So Glen here is going to open up his computer and he's going to show you something that LAN InfoTech has put together that's going to help nonprofits amazingly move forward in the next coming years. You know for the future.

Glen Benjamin:

And, by the way, if you're going to ask me for a projection on that, no you know, if you're going to say well, what's this going to be like in five years?

Chris Baker:

Who knows?

Glen Benjamin:

We don't, because this is escalating beyond what anybody thought.

Chris Baker:

Yeah, there really is.

Glen Benjamin:

There are advantages for nonprofits that at least take a look at it, try it. You know you don't have to institute anything, get us back involved. But in a minute here we'll go on and show people, wow, how fast they could potentially find funding that they had never thought of.

Chris Baker:

All right, so we're going to pause here for a moment and then we'll get set up and then continue the show. So now that we're set up, we're going to talk a little bit about what we're discovering here. So what is this program?

Glen Benjamin:

okay, before we go into the program. Okay, I had to build something for this demo yes okay, and we made up a fictitious company run by by chris and momo. In the background wave, chris, and and momo um, you know, so I took some of your principles. Yep, I used AI. I have no problem with anybody using AI, as long as it's done safely and securely.

Chris Baker:

Correct.

Glen Benjamin:

I will be talking to a school later today and that's the way we are approaching it. Kids, students, people are using it. Are they doing it the right way? I'm not sure.

Chris Baker:

Sure.

Glen Benjamin:

And what we want at the end of the day with AI is critical thinking. You could spend again the 18 hours doing AI, but when I ask you a question, you need to know what's right or wrong, and I don't need you to look it up. I need you to tell me here's why it is or isn't, and tell me why yeah, okay, all right. So all I did was set up a very simple, fictitious company.

Chris Baker:

This is completely fictitious Right, visual Grants, foundation Right Not a real company Right and there was no drinking involved when we created this.

Glen Benjamin:

This was completely sober. So we believe every nonprofit has a story. I'm just going to show you. I made this as minimal as possible. For a reason, okay, because I want what we're going to show to take over. Okay, all right, I'm going to shut the document down. Yep, I'm going to do this as best I can live, and if something happens, we blame the internet.

Chris Baker:

We'll blame the internet, if anybody has a problem.

Glen Benjamin:

All right, so I'm okay. So now this is a proposal machine. Let me get rid of that. So, proposal machine, let me get rid of that. So this is something Land Info Tech has partnered with, a company called Hats AI, working with them for months and months. We released this just a few weeks ago.

Glen Benjamin:

But, here's my first live test in front of an audience that's going to be broadcast I have no idea where. Okay, so this is the system, the application. So I'm going to hand this to you now. I want you to tell me how much funding you're going to need, and get as crazy as you want, ask for the moon, I don't care, because this is not really going to go anywhere but, it's going to produce something for Chris here and he's going to go.

Chris Baker:

All right, so I'll put a number in there. I got a quarter of a million in there, okay.

Glen Benjamin:

Go crazy, make it a million.

Chris Baker:

Make it a million. Make it a million, go ahead.

Glen Benjamin:

Because, again, we're not going to submit this, because us two goofballs would go.

Chris Baker:

All right, one million Put a million.

Glen Benjamin:

Now I want you to write in one sentence that's all I want what you would do with it program, whatever Chris wants to do.

Chris Baker:

All right, so I'm going to create a program that educates nonprofits on video marketing nationwide.

Glen Benjamin:

Okay, okay, and then here I'm going to upload that document. Okay, it'll give us something and I'll tell you why this is all important as we pass the computer back and forth.

Chris Baker:

So I'm going to upload that document, so this is the Word document that I created, the created. So basically you would already like, as a nonprofit, they'd already have this information, kind of like, laid out like this is our company, these are our values, this is what we do and that's what you're uploading, correct.

Glen Benjamin:

And if this was real, I would take multiple documents.

Chris Baker:

Gotcha.

Glen Benjamin:

As nonprofits request this type of grant funding. We could put more in there. And then this is an LLM, a large language model that begins to learn Sure. In this case, I made it up.

Chris Baker:

It's all for fun. So this one is very simple.

Glen Benjamin:

It's only one document, but you could add and it was like a paragraph right.

Chris Baker:

Right, could you add old?

Glen Benjamin:

grants yes.

Chris Baker:

Oh, perfect. So, like anything you've already submitted, you could add it.

Glen Benjamin:

Submitted either, even if you hadn't won it. And you lost it, that's okay.

Chris Baker:

We upload.

Glen Benjamin:

So the more you put in, the smarter that starts to get. Yeah, it makes sense, okay, okay, I don't want to cover letter. Okay, you could do that. Another point Okay, perfect.

Chris Baker:

Okay.

Glen Benjamin:

So now, I've taken that letter, I've taken your description. Yeah, go ahead and now go ahead and click generate. All right, and I'm also going to show you. There were multiple AIs built into this. Now you see how fast this went. It went faster than the upload right.

Chris Baker:

Oh yeah.

Glen Benjamin:

It is now spitting out a lot of information and we're going to come back in a second and it's designing your budget. It's breaking it apart. My fingers don't leave my hands. I haven't done anything. Nothing is predetermined. I took the minimum amount of information.

Glen Benjamin:

So if you had given me a whole lot of stuff, this would probably still be running and doing more. It's a fake company. Lot of stuff, this would probably still be running and and doing more. It's a fake company. But what I'm going to go back and show and it's a touch screen, thank god, uh, dude, okay, so you know, if you want to, if you want to, just run that with your finger, there you go. He's using the right finger this time and it will start formulating ideas. Okay, mission and alignment. I just kind of made all this up, sure, but the funding request, because he purposes it's already done this and you probably hadn't thought of it, and I know you, you're an ai junkie, like I am, so we know how to do this, but this is taking it for a person or a company that has no formal training we're taking that out.

Chris Baker:

You've already created the model for them to just upload and use, right, not have to go. Oh, I need to go train it and teach it and give it the code, basically to say this is what I want you to do, right, so okay, so now we're at the bottom, but we're going to try something else.

Glen Benjamin:

See, on the top right corner. There there are 12 AI programs that this uses. If you like this one, great. If you want to try some other ones, pick one. I don't care, it's your choice.

Chris Baker:

You've got.

Glen Benjamin:

Google, which is Gemini. You've got Meta Now you're going to see. It's about a five or 10 second delay generally, but this is going to come in a different language and you can copy them all.

Chris Baker:

Try them, see what works and see how it looks and how it generates the content and again, there's no coding involved, and the reason we're doing this is to simplify.

Glen Benjamin:

You can look at this and go wait a minute. If this is so automated, I can use multiple language. I can reallocate work of other people to do things that are more important in my company, but the point is we have a few programs built for nonprofits and a whole bunch of programs for for-profits Sure. Because we don't have time.

Chris Baker:

No, we don't have time. Yeah, If you want to learn more about this and this application and how they can actually get access to it so tell us how they contact Land Info Tech and how they get started. Okay.

Glen Benjamin:

So you could certainly do it by two tin cans with a string in the middle.

Chris Baker:

That's easy to find me.

Glen Benjamin:

I knew I could trick him up. If you can't find me, that means you're not trying. You could hit me up an email. That's a simple one. What's your email? Gbenjamin, G-B-E-N-J-A-M-I-N at L-A-N-I-N-F-O-T-C-H. Find me on social media. I'm typically at Glen Benjamin 1N in Glen. You can actually call me. I actually occasionally answer my phone, Okay.

Chris Baker:

Right, well, I screen it. I don't recognize you Okay, 954-560-3974.

Glen Benjamin:

Again, social media. You can WhatsApp me. There are a variety of ways that, unfortunately, I answer and you have to. I mean, the world has changed right. The world has changed the world has changed and find me, call Chris. Chris can find me Definitely.

Chris Baker:

I can definitely connect you.

Glen Benjamin:

And we do a lot of work in the nonprofit and for-profit space. We beg and implore you to have a plan. You've heard me now say that seven or eight times. Just don't go out there and try to wing this stuff. And, by the way, if you want to use AI, we're fine, but we're going to do an assessment before you take this internally. We're going to make sure that this stuff doesn't leak out, because there's another thing we do within AI, called Microsoft Copilot those of you that know it great. But the great part of Copilot is it knows all your information already Fantastic. So it knows your email, your SharePoint, your Teams, your OneDrive. And I'm missing something not important, but all you would have to if you're using a Copilot, for example, like that, you would just say, hey, give me a quarter over quarter projection on my top sponsors, how much they're generating, and create a report, do it in Word, do it in PowerPoint and within about the same amount of time you'd have all that written out.

Glen Benjamin:

We have to make sure that when you do it and you save it, it's protected, it doesn't leak out, because your proprietary data would be floating out there, probably on the dark web, and they're selling that for pennies. You don't want to give up your intellectual property, so our job is to do the assessment so it stays inside your confines, your tenant, and doesn't leak out. So these are the things. We have to have really important conversations. You got to tell us what you want this, so you know.

Chris Baker:

I think we've run out of time so again, thank you so much for being on Visual Eyes, where we collaborate and we work with nonprofits to help them succeed and excel. So thank you again, Glen Benjamin, for being on the show today.

Glen Benjamin:

You need the badge. I do need the badge, apparently.

Chris Baker:

And we look forward to having you on again.

Glen Benjamin:

I appreciate it and we will be back, yes, in 25.

Chris Baker:

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